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Crofty7 wrote:Lompar wrote:Well first have never been given a letter and if i remember rightly from what i saw on gfa the date of suspension restarts on 30th, so if game is on 28th surly i'm allowed to play?? Joe has the letter and I think it covered the last Sat in August. I just had the same sorts of questions for Ewan in our squad, Rich/Lomps. If you click on your Nailsea game, Lomps is in the list of available players, but try the next one and he is missing. So it looks like he should be able to play the first game...unless of course the date of the suspension as listed on FullTIme is the wrong start date...?
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Stapletongas wrote:
Oh and congratulations to Racing on their promotion, kept that one quiet Moods!
It was as much a surprise to me!
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Lompar wrote:Well first have never been given a letter and if i remember rightly from what i saw on gfa the date of suspension restarts on 30th, so if game is on 28th surly i'm allowed to play?? Dan, I think the GFA website is conclusive that you are still banned. If you are in any doubt, phone the GFA, but you need to be certain because if you play when suspended, both you and Hillfields as a club will be in very serious hot water with the GFA. I had two lads red carded last season and it was an eye opener, you can't play in any organised football affiliated to the GFA, including competitions such as Pro 5. Green Army!"You don't stop playing football because you get old, you get old because you stop playing football"Mangotsfield and Castle Green URC
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It is not just the GFA, it is a nationwide ban. If a player also plays for a club say on a Saturday afternoon that is registered with another County the suspension will still apply. That is why on the forms you have to put down all the Clubs that the player is registered with.
You beat me to it regarding the date of suspensions for the coming season.I browsed the GFA site lunchtime and it states that if any club or player is in doubt about whether they are/ will be suspended to contact the disciplinary section of the GFA. As you rightly say the conseqences for the player and the club for playing a suspended player are not good. It is well worth the phone call.
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Just to carify on the nationwide ban. a friend of mine had a look at the Wiltshire website and noticed a particular player as being suspended. The following week he did a game in somerset and low and behold the player was in one of teams. the game went ahead and the ref reported afterwards that a player had played while under suspension. His ban was extended and the club fined. The suspension list is nationwide and any County even up north can find out who is suspended down south/west. if there is any doubt about a player. As can a ref.
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I just checked the GFA page on suspensions and they talk about split suspensions - ie if the suspension began at the end of last season, but was not completed, then it carries on into the new season which they class as beginning on 30th August. I guess, if Lomps suspension started last season, then it only seems right to continue it through the start of the new season, or, if the deal was that it was due to start at the very beginning of the season, and maybe the BCFA have jumped the starter's pistol in dates, then it prob should cover the first game - I wouldn't like to put the GFA's grace and understanding to the test... This is the GFA page on suspensions, though I can't get the links to the lists of suspended players to work - GFA SUSPENSIONS you'll notice that 4 clubs have been suspended from competitions too, not just their players... 
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Moods wrote:Crofty7 wrote:Lompar wrote:Well first have never been given a letter and if i remember rightly from what i saw on gfa the date of suspension restarts on 30th, so if game is on 28th surly i'm allowed to play?? Joe has the letter and I think it covered the last Sat in August. I just had the same sorts of questions for Ewan in our squad, Rich/Lomps. If you click on your Nailsea game, Lomps is in the list of available players, but try the next one and he is missing. So it looks like he should be able to play the first game...unless of course the date of the suspension as listed on FullTIme is the wrong start date...? There is another suspension for the 7 days prior which is why it starts on that day. VCF Santos for Div 1 & 3 next season.
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Well I'm aware that all football pro 5 i'm suspended but i spoke to pro 5 they said i'm suspended from the dates stated by the gfa and over the period stated so therefore same should apply to club football, or if it is being moved a week foward then so should the end be pulled back a week as well in line, suspending twice is harsh and also incorrect as far as i was aware.
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The issue here is about the spirit of the ban. It sounds like Lomps isn't technically banned for the first match but that this is only because the BCFA has started its fixtures earlier than the GFA anticipated. Clearly the intention from the GFA is that the ban applies from the beginning of the season and we should honour that as a league. Lomps can then contact the GFA if he feels he is being harshly treated by effectively missing more games than he might have done if our season had started later and ask for the ban to be reduced. That way, everything is above board and there is no room for misinterpretation. Simple solution is probably to avoid any bans! ;-)
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Dave do you think i haven't learnt that I will get in contact with the gfa on friday when i got time to.
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How about I just don't play you until October that way there won't be a problem  Has seen 4 lads through his team become Christians in the last 18 months or so - How awesome is that?
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And all this time I can't believe no-one has asked Lumps what it is he did to get such a ban??
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lol eakes you don't want to know
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Davo1 wrote:The issue here is about the spirit of the ban. It sounds like Lomps isn't technically banned for the first match but that this is only because the BCFA has started its fixtures earlier than the GFA anticipated. Clearly the intention from the GFA is that the ban applies from the beginning of the season and we should honour that as a league. Lomps can then contact the GFA if he feels he is being harshly treated by effectively missing more games than he might have done if our season had started later and ask for the ban to be reduced. That way, everything is above board and there is no room for misinterpretation. Simple solution is probably to avoid any bans! ;-) I disagree - he is banned from the dates shown by the GFA and is therefore eligible to play on the 28th. The GFA won't move suspension dates so don't ask them to. You can sometimes delay an automatic suspension by requesting a personal hearing or appealing but doing so on a frivolous basis is not recommended. VCF Santos for Div 1 & 3 next season.
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Simon Baker wrote:Davo1 wrote:The issue here is about the spirit of the ban. It sounds like Lomps isn't technically banned for the first match but that this is only because the BCFA has started its fixtures earlier than the GFA anticipated. Clearly the intention from the GFA is that the ban applies from the beginning of the season and we should honour that as a league. Lomps can then contact the GFA if he feels he is being harshly treated by effectively missing more games than he might have done if our season had started later and ask for the ban to be reduced. That way, everything is above board and there is no room for misinterpretation. Simple solution is probably to avoid any bans! ;-) I disagree - he is banned from the dates shown by the GFA and is therefore eligible to play on the 28th. The GFA won't move suspension dates so don't ask them to. You can sometimes delay an automatic suspension by requesting a personal hearing or appealing but doing so on a frivolous basis is not recommended. I agree with Simon on this. I was looking at the GFA discipline area yesterday on another issue not connected with the BCL. I saw the ruling on split suspensions and that is that a player can play between the dates listed unless they are on a sine die ban.
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Simon Baker wrote:The GFA won't move suspension dates so don't ask them to. This is true. I asked last season, and they wouldn't do it. I always thought a lot of leagues started in August (certainly the Downs League), so I'm sure the GFA realise that a ban starting on 1st Sept (or whatever it is) would mean a player potentially playing games in August. I guess they start from there as all leagues will be playing by then, so the player will definitely miss games. If they started the ban mid-August, it could be (as with us this season) that the player would serve two weeks plus of his ban when his team didn't have any games anyway. This way, they at least make sure the player misses games during their suspension. Only BCFA team to beat BSXI 4 times since 12th December 2009.....
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nathan8 wrote:Simon Baker wrote:The GFA won't move suspension dates so don't ask them to. This is true. I asked last season, and they wouldn't do it. I always thought a lot of leagues started in August (certainly the Downs League), so I'm sure the GFA realise that a ban starting on 1st Sept (or whatever it is) would mean a player potentially playing games in August. I guess they start from there as all leagues will be playing by then, so the player will definitely miss games. If they started the ban mid-August, it could be (as with us this season) that the player would serve two weeks plus of his ban when his team didn't have any games anyway. This way, they at least make sure the player misses games during their suspension. Nice footer Nath but he's actually 26  Has seen 4 lads through his team become Christians in the last 18 months or so - How awesome is that?
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Lumps, I think the best course of action is to never get red carded ;) "Ashton will never get in your boat Kirbs. He’s too much of a chirpser." Nathan Redshaw, 16/07/2009. 
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My quote was a year old last Friday!! Ash, your Location is out of date.... Only BCFA team to beat BSXI 4 times since 12th December 2009.....
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And his signature. Who's going to do webteams now? Congratulations to Woodies.
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