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Eakes wrote:Think it was before you joined us Dave, so you were on the sidelines watching. Bit like much of last season  Below the belt mate. And then to follow that up by dropping the easiest catch off my bowling last night!
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I know, it was a poor effort. But as I said, it didn't deserve a wicket.
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Erm, did you speak to your groundsman? Congratulations to Woodies.
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Nope, we only play teams that set us a challenge.
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Just have been a bit busy Dan, plus I enjoy the break over the summer of not organising things. Not sure I can be bothered to organise a game now. Pre season training starts next week so thats another evening tied up.
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Shame. Congratulations to Woodies.
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Well, if you organise it and find a pitch, I'm sure I can rustle up 11 players.
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Eakes wrote:Is it not cheating if you get away with it? He was red carded and Ghana got a penalty. It wasn't Suarez who then ensured Ghan bottled it and missed the penalty. It was a risk that Suarez took. I think it was only a week or two ago we were all on here saying that Johnson should have taken out Ozil on the half way line and taken a yellow card in order to stop the breakaway. By that reckoning that is cheating as well, so surely everytime a foul is committed that is also cheating. I don't condone the behaviour of the Uruguans but it wasn't as if he went out there to cheat, it was instinctive. I've been away for a few days but am interested by some comments regarding the handball, so I'll quote a few things and give my opinion. Eakes, so it's only cheating if you get away with it? Comepltely untrue, is it only a crime if a steal but don't get caught? Like Nathan says in another post, the Johnson incident is completely different. No way you could say that Germany would definately have scored, let alone had an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Congratulations to Woodies.
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nathan8 wrote:
Overall, I think it's actually pretty sad that cheating has become such a part of the game that the reaction of most people seems to be, "Hey, anyone else would have done that in the same position." That can't be right, surely?
Completely agree with this. Surely your natural instinct as a player would be to head it. Congratulations to Woodies.
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nathan8 wrote: Take 2002 - how many people can picture Rivaldo being hit on the knee with a ball and going down clutching his face? How many people can picture anything to do with the final? I can remember Ronaldo ripping it upp. Congratulations to Woodies.
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Moods wrote:TBC Ben wrote:
I did wonder when someone was going to bring up the fact that this most abominable of sins is often committed on a BCFA pitch.
Two of VCF's red cards this season were for this exact thing! To be fair to the lads in question - one actually dived to the top right hand corner to save a goal bound shot - his red card delivered swiftly, and then the resulting pen saved - VCF went on and win the cup tie scoring another 3 goals (with only 10 men on the field), but the poor young man who was only 'reacting instinctively' did end up being suspended twice - for league games (GFA suspension) and 2 cup ties, including the shield final (BCFA suspension) - poor form for an instinctive reaction don't you think...? The other one was a blatant, thought-out, premeditated slight movement of the hand from next to his hip to about 3cm away from his hip as the dirty cheating head of a CU turned to stop that ball going in the net - rightly so was he sent off and the resulting pen resoundingly scored (not by Davo1) and VCF went on to rightfully lose the match. This scoundrel was then suspended for the rest of the season and all of next. He'll only play again when he looks like David Platt... Maybe there is a lottery as to whether the penalty is scored in the game when this situation comes up, but, assuming the best available team of players is on the pitch when it happens, there is the suspension issue to come - the offending team will be weakened in their next couple of games or so, which may affect them in the league or cup competitions they are in. I can't see Uruguay being as strong in their semi without Suarez. VCF blatantly suffered without their players  Can't work out if you're taking the mick a llittle here. Any deliberate handball on the line is cheating and deserves a ban. But take Harry Kewell's sending off for handball in the world cup. Didn't move his arm and it was by his side but still a red card and pen but I think his punishment should be less than a deliberate act of cheating. Congratulations to Woodies.
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RingofFire wrote:
Eakes, so it's only cheating if you get away with it? Comepltely untrue, is it only a crime if a steal but don't get caught?
Nope, thats not what I meant. He cheated but within the rules he got punished by his team conceding a penalty and being sent off. So his actions were punished, no more within the rules could have been done. I know that incident is slightly different to Johnson but where do you draw the line? In my mind they are all cheating. If Johnson would have taken the foul and got booked he would have only done that for one reason, and that reason was that there was a decent chance that Germany would have scored (as indeed they would). So surely that is no different to what Suarez did other than the likelihood of a goal being conceded. Both would be cheating, which is my point.
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In summary...Suarez cheated, that's fact not opinion. Any act to deliberately break the rules is cheating. Pulling someone's shirt is cheating. You are trying to gain an advantage by breaking the rules. Gus Poyet really wound me up the other day on SSN, he said that 'cheating is a player who gets slightly touched and is rolling around on the floor. Maradona cheated. But Suarez did not cheat'. How is Suarez's actions any different to Maradona's you idiot? People are stupid. I think it's really sad that people are saying that any player would do it. I don't agree with that but am willing to accept that alot of people would. Doesn't make it right that most players would do it. Congratulations to Woodies.
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Eakes wrote:RingofFire wrote:
Eakes, so it's only cheating if you get away with it? Comepltely untrue, is it only a crime if a steal but don't get caught?
Nope, thats not what I meant. He cheated but within the rules he got punished by his team conceding a penalty and being sent off. So his actions were punished, no more within the rules could have been done. I know that incident is slightly different to Johnson but where do you draw the line? In my mind they are all cheating. If Johnson would have taken the foul and got booked he would have only done that for one reason, and that reason was that there was a decent chance that Germany would have scored (as indeed they would). So surely that is no different to what Suarez did other than the likelihood of a goal being conceded. Both would be cheating, which is my point. I agree that both would be cheating. Suarez stopped Ghana making the semi, whereas you couldn't have said the same for Johnson (and Germany). Congratulations to Woodies.
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RingofFire wrote:In summary...Suarez cheated, that's fact not opinion. Any act to deliberately break the rules is cheating. Pulling someone's shirt is cheating. You are trying to gain an advantage by breaking the rules. Gus Poyet really wound me up the other day on SSN, he said that 'cheating is a player who gets slightly touched and is rolling around on the floor. Maradona cheated. But Suarez did not cheat'. How is Suarez's actions any different to Maradona's you idiot? People are stupid.
I think it's really sad that people are saying that any player would do it. I don't agree with that but am willing to accept that alot of people would. Doesn't make it right that most players would do it. That's Sir Gus Poyet to you please Dan......
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Most systems of justice and sets of rules in the world are based on the intention of an act rather than the actual outcome. The intention of Johnson taking out the German player would have been to prevent a goal. The intention of Suarez was to prevent a goal. Suarez act got the correct punishment of a red card, ban and - most significantly - a gilt-edged opportunity for Ghana to go through. They didn't take it. It isn't unfair, its the rules of the game.
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It is the rules but it's also unfair. Congratulations to Woodies.
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The best stat of this World Cup.
"If Spain beat Netherlands on Sunday New Zealand will be the only unbeaten team at the 2010 World Cup!!!"
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Quiz question: Who was the only unbeaten side in the 1974 World Cup?
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RingofFire wrote:It is the rules but it's also unfair. Its not unfair. The whole point about having the laws of the game is that they are applied equally to all teams. This ensures fairness. If the same thing had happened at the other end of the pitch then it would have had the same outcome. Almost by defenition, everybody accepts the rules by dint of their being present in the competition. In cases where rules are applied incorrectly, e.g. Lampard's 'goal', then there might be a case for unfairness. I think what you're saying is that you don't believe the punishment fits the crime, and that's a slightly different matter. The point I made earlier still stands: I don't think that people would be making this much of a fuss if Ghana had scored the penalty or if the incident occurred in the first few minutes of the game. But you can't have different rules for the same offence based on the circumstances in the match. Rugby can get away with the penalty try rule because, by and large, it relates to scrums being consistently bought down by the defending side. Because the set piece is re-set quite a few times by the ref it makes it an easy decision. Its very rare to see a penalty try awarded from open play (and these are frequently very contentious).
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