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nathan8
#1 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 8:54:52 AM
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Ok, so I bought a t-shirt in Tesco's yesterday of their England All Star team. I have a couple of questions. I've named their team below, but I'm not sure who their right back was? They've put them in the England shirts that they all used to wear, so it would have been the right back when Keegan was in the team, around Spain 82, and he's black. I'm thinking Viv Anderson, but I'm not at all sure. Was he really that good? Or are they just going pc as there's no other black player in their team? Anyway, here's their team below:

Shilton
Anderson? Moore Butcher Pearce
Beckham Charlton Gazza
Hurst Lineker Keegan

D'oh! Can't remember who the other striker was. Oh well. So, my second question is what would be your England All Star XI? I was thinking yesterday, and mine is below. I'm going 4-4-2......

GK - Gordon Banks Made possibly the greatest save ever. Part of England's World Cup winning team. Surely we'd have made the semis of the 70WC is he'd been in goal?
RB - Gary Neville Don't like him as a person, but no doubt he was a good right back for England. Almost 90 caps - says it all.
CB - Bobby Moore Don't think I really need to explain that one.
CB - Tony Adams Thought about Rio. Adams just gets the nod as I think he was less prone to losses of concentration, and was a good leader.
LB - Ashley Cole Again, another one that I don't really like as a person (what is it about full backs?), but no doubting that he's a good player. Pearce was close for his free kicks and pens, but I think Cashley would give more in open play going forwards, and Pearce wouldn't take many free kicks and pens due to my other choices.
RM - David Beckham Over 100 caps. Loves playing for England, and his set piece deliveries and crossing make him the only choice for this position, and the main reason that Pearce misses out. Plenty of running to help win the ball back too.
CM - Bryan Robson Gives you so much. Plenty of running, a battler, plus the ability to pick up crucial goals. And he'd give the physio something to do too.
CM - Bobby Charlton Highest ever England goal scorer. Nuff said.
LM - Paul Gascoigne I'd love to have put John Barnes in here, but although he's my favourite ever player, his form for England rarely matched that for Liverpool, so I can't justify it. I can't think of a really good left winger that England have had, and I wanted to fit Gazza in, so he gets the nod. I realise that he's not a left winger, but if Capello can play without one, so can I. Gazza would be lethal cutting inside from the left, and it's another reason why Ashley Cole is in, to provide that width when he does.
ST - Alan Shearer There are others who are higher up the goalscoring list than him, but 30 goals in 63 games is an excellent record, and my recollection is that he didn't really get going until Euro 96, by which time he probably had pushing 20 caps with maybe 5 goals (complete guesswork there)? From then on, he never let England down.
ST - Gary Lineker 2nd highest ever goal scorer for England. Not great all round play (possibly a weakness with both my strikers), but a real predator with a knack for being in the right place at the right time.

So there it is. What do you think, and what would yours be?
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#2 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 9:53:28 AM
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Not Paul Parker?
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#3 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 10:05:25 AM
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Crofty7 wrote:
Not Paul Parker?


That's who I thought initially, but I remember him playing in Italia 90. I think Spain 82 might be too early for him? Maybe those who are slightly older than me (Eakes, Big JP Wink) will know.....
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#4 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 10:41:53 AM
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I have a similar t-shirt from Next, and it's definately Viv Anderson at right back. A couple of the players are different to the Tesco one I think, I'll have a look when I get home later. According to my father-in-law, the best ever England right back is Jimmy Armfield.
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#5 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 10:50:27 AM
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I think it is meant to be Viv. As far as i know, Keegan only played one world cup in 1982 (we didn't qualify in 78, and I don't think he was involved in 86). It's definitely the same time as him going by the shirt this guy is wearing. However, I've checked on Google, and although Viv Anderson was in the 82 squad, he didn't actually play any games during the tournament. Confused
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#6 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 12:50:40 PM
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Would definately be Viv Anderson. And he was a great player - almost a prototype for the modern full-back in the way he was used as an attacking weapon by Forest and Man U. Hard to compare players from different eras, especially full backs because the role has changed so much, but I'd have him in there ahead of Neville based on what I saw/have watched of his performances in the league. Can't remember watching him play for England, though I would have done at some point I think.

Nath, regarding your Dream XI: No Carlton Cole????? Actually, think its hard to argue with too much you've written. I think Ferdinand/Campbell may sneak in on the basis of their England performances alone as they offer more variety than Adams could and both played a role in pushing forward as well. Have been massive for England in WCs.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:15:33 PM
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On my t-shirt, it's the same line up but 4-4-2. And they have their names next to them...

Shilts
Vic Moore Butcher Psycho
Becks Charlton Gazza King Kev
Gary Hurst
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:03:16 PM
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I am surprised that anybody on here has a memory of Viv Anderson considering he played his last game in an England shirt in 1988!
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:25:03 PM
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Benjiman wrote:
I am surprised that anybody on here has a memory of Viv Anderson considering he played his last game in an England shirt in 1988!


I just said I remembered watching him play for his club. True thast I can't remember seeing him play for England though - I did watch all the qualifiers for Euro 88, as well as evey game we played in the tournament as well. What was his last game?
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:35:05 AM
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Speaking of memories, what's the first match you remember seeing on TV/live? League, International, Sunday league? Mine was in the 1988/89 Millwall v's Liverpool, FA Cup 4th (!?) round, A cracker, Rushie and Barnes did the damage in a 2-1 win. Those were the days.......
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:42:07 AM
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My All star England XI :

Shilton

Rob Jones Sol Campbell Bobby Moore Stuart Pearce

David Beckham Bryan Robson Bobby Charlton Gazza

Alan Shearer Gary Linekar

Subs: (are we allowed?)
John Barnes
Gordon Banks
Tony Adams
Chris Waddle
Glenn Hoddle
Cashley
Rooney ???

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:32:15 AM
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Rob Jones at right back? Blink He can only have played a couple of games!!! Just checked, and he has 8 caps. Never scored for Liverpool but I was at a game at Anfield with Benjiman when he hit the post (think we were playing either Chelsea or Newcastle). The closest he ever got.....
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#13 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:34:44 PM
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Yeah. Slightly odd choice. He definately looked the part at times but was unlucky with injuries as I remember, and never actually became as good as people thought he might.

Raises an interesting question: did anyone else think that a particular player was brilliant when they were a kid but now realises that they weren't actually that good?

I think mine were: Alan Pardew, Junior Bent (should have been obvious at the time really), Mark Hately (realise that he wasn't awful, but I genuinely thought he was one of the best players ever in the world ever ever ever). For some reason, my favourite goalkeeper was always Mike Hooper. Go figure that one out. Probaby a few other names might come to mind at some point.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:23:13 PM
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Not sure if it counts, but Robbie Fowler. Absolutely brilliant from his late teens until he was about 22. The best finisher I've seen at Liverpool since Rush (maybe including him??), but injuries and fatness curtailed what I thought would be a brilliant career. Thought he'd take over the striker's mantle for England from Shearer, but it never happened.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:18:18 PM
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Think Fowler at his best was better than Rush at his. Despite the fact he was a genuine goalscorer like Rush, he could still score from outside the box and he had brilliant imaginatipon when doing so.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:25:44 PM
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Exactly, and he scored a few from outside the box with his right foot, including I think one of his 4min30s hat-trick against Arsenal, still a Premiership record I think. He was also pretty tidy with his head for someone lacking a bit in height. Plus he scored over 30 goals 3 seasons running (who else has managed that in the Prem? Shearer definitely, prob Henry, did Ronaldo?) and hit about 37 or 38 one season I think.

He remains my second favourite ever player after John Barnes. My memory is that he picked up an injury at some point, and missed a couple of months mid-season. When he returned, he never seemed to get close to the same heights he'd reached before.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:23:02 PM
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Ha ha, I deliberately put in Jones as I knew it would throw up a bit of controversy! You all took the bait! He was a good player for 3 years the vanished. What about Gary Stevens? Phil Neal? I'm not choosing Parker that's for sure.

Being a Liverpool fan, Fowler definately has had a dissapointing end to our career, in my opinion better than Owen for longer. But my fav player is Barnsey, along with Nathan......'You can be slow or fast but you must get to line'
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#18 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 8:08:01 AM
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My favourite Liverpool player was always Steve Nichol. Didn't put him in my list above as he was actually genuinely very good. One of my earliest Liverpool memories (I did support them as a young 'un) is Nichol scoring a hat-trick against Newcastle at St James'. Was more than a little disappointed when he conceded the free kick from which Lawrie Sanchez nodded in Wimbledon's winner in '88.
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#19 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 8:55:37 AM
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Steve Nicol (note spelling!!) was a very good player. Think he played both full backs, centre back and right mid at various points of his Liverpool career. A bit of a Mr Versatile. I also think it was him that Michael Thomas played a 1-2 off when running through on goal to score what proved to be the Championship winning game in what still is the ultimate end to a season. It also remains the only time that football made me cry.

Phil, Fowler at his peak was definitely better than Owen. I was checking on Wiki, and Fowler reached 100 goals in 165 games for Liverpool (1 quicker than Rush incidentally). It doesn't give the same stat for Owen, but given he scored 118 goals in 216 appearances, I doubt he was as quick as Fowler. Although I've just been reading in detail, and it mentions Owen scoring his 150th goal for Liverpool. Confused His season best was 28 goals, which he did two seasons running. Overall, Owen definitely had more pace and did more work in the channels. Fowler was a typical predator, only came alive in the final 3rd, but definitely the better finisher of the two.
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My favourite Steve Nicol moment was a 25 yard header he scored, against Arsenal I think.
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